diff --git a/audio/mixer.c b/audio/mixer.c
index 7a26b83e5e..b19a2c6438 100644
--- a/audio/mixer.c
+++ b/audio/mixer.c
@@ -68,6 +68,12 @@ bool mixer_audio_initialized(struct mixer *mixer)
     return !!mixer->ao;
 }
 
+float mixer_getneutralvolume(struct mixer *mixer)
+{
+    // gain == 1
+    return 1.0 / mixer->opts->softvol_max * 100.0 * 100.0;
+}
+
 static void checkvolume(struct mixer *mixer)
 {
     if (!mixer->ao)
diff --git a/audio/mixer.h b/audio/mixer.h
index d5ec07e9ba..1716401dd5 100644
--- a/audio/mixer.h
+++ b/audio/mixer.h
@@ -45,6 +45,7 @@ void mixer_setmute(struct mixer *mixer, bool mute);
 bool mixer_getmute(struct mixer *mixer);
 void mixer_getbalance(struct mixer *mixer, float *bal);
 void mixer_setbalance(struct mixer *mixer, float bal);
+float mixer_getneutralvolume(struct mixer *mixer);
 char *mixer_get_volume_restore_data(struct mixer *mixer);
 
 #endif /* MPLAYER_MIXER_H */
diff --git a/options/m_property.h b/options/m_property.h
index 808066dde6..7ba2c5181d 100644
--- a/options/m_property.h
+++ b/options/m_property.h
@@ -79,6 +79,11 @@ enum mp_property_action {
     // Pass down an action to a sub-property.
     //  arg: struct m_property_action_arg*
     M_PROPERTY_KEY_ACTION,
+
+    // Get the (usually constant) value that indicates no change. Obscure
+    // special functionality for things like the volume property.
+    // Otherwise works like M_PROPERTY_GET.
+    M_PROPERTY_GET_NEUTRAL,
 };
 
 // Argument for M_PROPERTY_SWITCH
diff --git a/player/command.c b/player/command.c
index e9f71ebf41..e2788b76be 100644
--- a/player/command.c
+++ b/player/command.c
@@ -1104,6 +1104,9 @@ static int mp_property_volume(m_option_t *prop, int action, void *arg,
     case M_PROPERTY_GET:
         mixer_getbothvolume(mpctx->mixer, arg);
         return M_PROPERTY_OK;
+    case M_PROPERTY_GET_NEUTRAL:
+        *(float *)arg = mixer_getneutralvolume(mpctx->mixer);
+        return M_PROPERTY_OK;
     case M_PROPERTY_PRINT: {
         float val;
         mixer_getbothvolume(mpctx->mixer, &val);
@@ -1823,6 +1826,9 @@ static int mp_property_video_color(m_option_t *prop, int action, void *arg,
         // Write new value to option variable
         mp_property_generic_option(prop, M_PROPERTY_SET, arg, mpctx);
         return M_PROPERTY_OK;
+    case M_PROPERTY_GET_NEUTRAL:
+        *(int *)arg = 0;
+        return M_PROPERTY_OK;
     }
     return mp_property_generic_option(prop, action, arg, mpctx);
 }
@@ -2724,15 +2730,19 @@ static void show_property_osd(MPContext *mpctx, const char *pname, int osd_mode)
     if (osd_progbar && (prop.flags & CONF_RANGE) == CONF_RANGE) {
         bool ok = false;
         if (prop.type == CONF_TYPE_INT) {
+            int n = prop.min;
+            mp_property_do(name, M_PROPERTY_GET_NEUTRAL, &n, mpctx);
             int i;
             ok = mp_property_do(name, M_PROPERTY_GET, &i, mpctx) > 0;
             if (ok)
-                set_osd_bar(mpctx, osd_progbar, osd_name, prop.min, prop.max, i);
+                set_osd_bar(mpctx, osd_progbar, osd_name, prop.min, prop.max, n, i);
         } else if (prop.type == CONF_TYPE_FLOAT) {
+            float n = prop.min;
+            mp_property_do(name, M_PROPERTY_GET_NEUTRAL, &n, mpctx);
             float f;
             ok = mp_property_do(name, M_PROPERTY_GET, &f, mpctx) > 0;
             if (ok)
-                set_osd_bar(mpctx, osd_progbar, osd_name, prop.min, prop.max, f);
+                set_osd_bar(mpctx, osd_progbar, osd_name, prop.min, prop.max, n, f);
         }
         if (ok && osd_mode == MP_ON_OSD_AUTO && opts->osd_bar_visible)
             msg = NULL;
diff --git a/player/core.h b/player/core.h
index ca61ab8f11..5f4789d267 100644
--- a/player/core.h
+++ b/player/core.h
@@ -423,7 +423,7 @@ void stream_dump(struct MPContext *mpctx);
 // osd.c
 void print_status(struct MPContext *mpctx);
 void set_osd_bar(struct MPContext *mpctx, int type, const char* name,
-                 double min, double max, double val);
+                 double min, double max, double neutral, double val);
 void set_osd_msg(struct MPContext *mpctx, int level, int time,
                  const char* fmt, ...) PRINTF_ATTRIBUTE(4,5);
 void set_osd_function(struct MPContext *mpctx, int osd_function);
diff --git a/player/osd.c b/player/osd.c
index 57dd4aff97..32533eac1d 100644
--- a/player/osd.c
+++ b/player/osd.c
@@ -332,8 +332,8 @@ static mp_osd_msg_t *get_osd_msg(struct MPContext *mpctx)
 
 // type: mp_osd_font_codepoints, ASCII, or OSD_BAR_*
 // name: fallback for terminal OSD
-void set_osd_bar(struct MPContext *mpctx, int type, const char *name,
-                 double min, double max, double val)
+void set_osd_bar(struct MPContext *mpctx, int type, const char* name,
+                 double min, double max, double neutral, double val)
 {
     struct MPOpts *opts = mpctx->opts;
     if (opts->osd_level < 1 || !opts->osd_bar_visible)
@@ -344,6 +344,11 @@ void set_osd_bar(struct MPContext *mpctx, int type, const char *name,
         mpctx->osd_progbar.type = type;
         mpctx->osd_progbar.value = (val - min) / (max - min);
         mpctx->osd_progbar.num_stops = 0;
+        if (neutral > min && neutral < max) {
+            float pos = (neutral - min) / (max - min);
+            MP_TARRAY_APPEND(mpctx, mpctx->osd_progbar.stops,
+                             mpctx->osd_progbar.num_stops, pos);
+        }
         osd_set_progbar(mpctx->osd, &mpctx->osd_progbar);
         return;
     }
@@ -450,7 +455,7 @@ static void add_seek_osd_messages(struct MPContext *mpctx)
 {
     if (mpctx->add_osd_seek_info & OSD_SEEK_INFO_BAR) {
         double pos = get_current_pos_ratio(mpctx, false);
-        set_osd_bar(mpctx, OSD_BAR_SEEK, "Position", 0, 1, MPCLAMP(pos, 0, 1));
+        set_osd_bar(mpctx, OSD_BAR_SEEK, "Position", 0, 1, 0, MPCLAMP(pos, 0, 1));
         set_osd_bar_chapters(mpctx, OSD_BAR_SEEK);
     }
     if (mpctx->add_osd_seek_info & OSD_SEEK_INFO_TEXT) {